Legacy Talks in plain sight – but no one was looking – By Brian Rowan

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In August Canon David Porter – chief of staff to the Archbishop of Canterbury – travelled to Northern Ireland.

Those he would meet, including the Former Methodist President Harold Good and Jim Roddy from Derry, were exploring ways to further advance an already well-developed legacy conversation.

They would ask for help from Lambeth Palace; this is the background to the meeting that happened there on Monday November 2; a working lunch that continued through to teatime.

There had been two major legacy developments in March and April; both in plain sight but missed because of other concerns – the lockdown associated with the Covid 19 threat.

In March, the UK Government binned the Stormont House Agreement of 2014, which has not been implemented.

Rather than the proposed Historical Investigations Unit to examine conflict-period cases, there would be a swift review process. Only some cases would make it to investigation and the book would be closed on the vast majority of others.

There would be additional protections for military veterans, and a new focus on an information process and reconciliation.

In normal times this would have been the stuff of screaming headlines. It had the look of closing down the past – a backdoor amnesty; but these were not normal times.

The coronavirus had changed everything. There was a different focus.



Weeks later – in April – Professor Kieran McEvoy, working with other academics and the CAJ, produced a detailed report which had examined the numerous legacy initiatives over a decade-plus of talking and consultations here.

It set out a menu of proposals – two of which explored the possibility of reducing jail time to zero in conflict-related cases. McEvoy insisted this was not an amnesty.

What he also did, in a recorded interview with this website, was explain some of the conversations he and his team had with others as part of their research – with the victims’ commission, the PSNI, the British Army, loyalist and republican representatives, the NIO and the Department of Foreign Affairs in Dublin.

The academics had also presented their work and proposals to the victims’ forum.


Again, in different times, such conversations and proposals would create significant headlines. This time, they remained below the radar.

When Good and Roddy met Porter in August, it was to try to find a place to further explore this work stream – to test whether it had potential to advance the legacy discussion.

Porter knows the peace process. He with other clergy engaged with republicans before unionist political leaders were prepared to step into that space.

He was part of the Loyalist Commission, and part also of the Eames/Bradley team that produced the Consultative Report on Northern Ireland’s Past back in 2009.

Some months ago, that August meeting would open the door to Lambeth Palace.

Then, on November 2, McEvoy with Dr Anna Bryson presented their work.

NIO Permanent Secretary Madeleine Allesandri was present with the lead legacy official Chris Flatt.

Department of Foreign Affairs officials Fergal Mythen and Laurence Simms were at the table.

Veterans’ Commisioner – the former UUP MP – Danny Kinahan was invited. So, also, the former victims’ commissioner Judith Thompson.

PSNI Chief Superintendent Bobby Singleton from the Legacy Investigations Branch was present. An Army major-general was in the room with a civilian legacy specialist.

The senior republican Sean Murray was invited, as was the loyalist Winston Irvine.

Jon Boutcher, currently leading Operation Kenova – a conflict-period investigation here – was present. So, also, Jim Roddy.

There were three Lambeth Palace Staff present, including Porter, who chaired the meeting.

The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby and Harold Good joined the conversation virtually.

Those involved will not be the decision-makers on any final legacy structure – but can they produce something by way of proposals that might assist that process?

This conversation has not arrived at that point and may not be able to do so.
Another meeting is scheduled for next week.

The McEvoy package is built within the scaffolding and frame of the Stormont House Agreement plan, which the UK Government collapsed in March.

Are they prepared to rebuild it?

There is no certainty about that, and no certainty that this ongoing and developing legacy conversation will cut a key to unlock this standstill.

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Brian Rowan

Brian Rowan is a journalist/author. A former BBC correspondent in Belfast, four times he has been a category winner in the Northern Ireland Press and Broadcast Awards. He is the author of several books on the peace process. His latest book (published by Merrion Press) POLITICAL PURGATORY – the battle to save Stormont and the play for a New Ireland is now available at www.merrionpress.ie


  1. Jeffrey Dudgeon on

    In plain sight, but no journalist was looking so may be not very plain.
    This was also said about OTRs when the Downey court case first revealed the comfort letters.
    Unknown knowns perhaps, if the work of the deep state?

  2. David Clements on

    Again, Barny seems to know much more than most of us about what is going on.
    The lesson is still not learnt though. We all know Legacy is very difficult, (perhaps beyond the best human endeavor) but to attempt it without the voice of victims at the table is bound to fail. I was thought to be churlish when I asked why no victims had been asked to sit on Eames / Bradley. (One answer I was given was that victims are too fecking difficult.) As it turned out, a victims voice or two might have helped to avoid the presentational blunder the preceded the release of the report and so left much good work sitting on the shelf for the last 11 years.

  3. Look my 85 year old mother in the eye, anyone, and tell her that her husband’s murder does not deserve a proper investigation and truth? My father Joe, a catholic born in the Republic of Ireland, was murdered by the State appointed assassin Robin Jackson of the UVF for daring to join the RUC to make a difference by ‘serving’ all of the community in an honest and even handed manner. As with many unsolved murders, the State agencies have the truth and want to bury it. They do not want the world to know what they did.
    No. You ignore people like Joe Campbell, his family, community and other victims at your peril. A misguided State sponsored process (great word that) that’s sole objective is to avoid truth and accountability for State sponsored murder will fail.
    The time for words is long gone. Words do not make a democracy.

    “Anyone with gumption and a sharp mind will take the measure of two things: what’s said and what’s done.”

  4. Brian Rowan deserves better and bigger platforms on local/national media . I don’t always agree with him but I would not challenge his professionalism . Seldom does anything done in secret remain confidential. When it leaks out then suspicions abound. Trust is won never bought. So thanks Mr. Rowan for sorting out the spin for those reliant on the truth.

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