A Basque delegation on a visit to Belfast with the UDA's Jackie McDonald

 

The questions in the conversation were familiar; the same ones we needed answered not that long ago.

But this time they were being asked by a visiting Basque delegation, in Belfast for several days last week.

They arrived after recent significant developments.

The international peace conference in San Sebastian attended by Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams, former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern, Jonathan Powell, who was Tony Blair’s Chief of Staff, and former United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan.

And, within days of that, the ETA announcement of a definitive cessation of its armed activity, and new hope that a violent conflict stretching across half a century is now over.

The conference had called for that public declaration, and:

“It was impossible for ETA to say no,” Paul Rios of the project Lokarri said during his Belfast visit.

His group is a social organisation committed to non-violence, and the defence of life and human rights as ethical absolutes.

Lokarri has also been working with the South African lawyer Brian Currin, known to the Northern Ireland peace process for his roles in the parades issue and with the Sentence Review Commission – established to deal with the prisoner releases after the Good Friday Agreement.

And, after those recent significant developments in the Basque country, the Belfast visit was under the theme: Building Reconciliation Bridges.

It was about listening and learning.

The delegation included two Lokarri representatives, Rios and Maialen Lizarralde, Rut Martinez of the Basque Nationalist Party, PNV, and a group of youth representatives.

At Stormont they met the Speaker and the political parties.

Then there were meetings with the projects Healing Through Remembering and Relatives for Justice.

They talked with the Human Rights Commissioner Alan McBride, who lost his wife and father-in-law in the IRA Shankill bomb in 1993.

Met the Belfast Lord Mayor Niall O Donnghaile in a week of controversy news and headlines for him over his refusal to present a young Army Cadet with an award.

And, there were conversations with youth representatives from Alliance and the SDLP as well as a visit to the Corrymeela peace centre.

On Saturday I was part of a group of journalists and loyalists who met the delegation.

Sinn Fein Councillor Caoimhin Mac Giolla Mhin and the former Methodist President Harold Good, both of whom have a special interest in the Basque process, were also present.

The meeting was arranged and chaired by Ruairi Rowan, and hosted by Peter Sheridan, the former senior police officer and now Chief Executive of Co-operation Ireland.

And, it was in this setting (above), over a couple of hours, that we discussed with the delegation many familiar topics and problems.

“The first thing it showed me was how much we had matured – that people can have these conversations,” Sheridan said afterwards.

But what is in it for the visiting delegation?

“The danger of making many of the mistakes that we made can be avoided by listening to groups like Saturday’s,” Sheridan responded.

In the final declaration to emerge from the San Sebastian Conference, the question of dialogue was addressed:

“We suggest that non-violent actors and political representatives meet and discuss political and other related issues, in consultation with the citizenry, that could contribute to a new era without conflict.

“In our experience third party observers or facilitators help such dialogue.

“Here, such dialogue could also be assisted by international facilitators, if that were desired by those involved,” the declaration read.

But William Smith, who chaired the 1994 loyalist ceasefire news conference, and who was a visitor with other ex-prisoners to the Basque country two years later, offered a word of caution:

“The danger in using intermediaries is that it gives people the excuse not to talk directly,” he said.

In Saturday’s meeting, the complex issue of apology was part of the discussion.

It was a wide-ranging conversation that also focused on demands made by politicians and government, including that ETA disband.

Then there were thoughts about prisoners, media reporting of conflict and the importance of dialogue.

Soon Harold Good, a witness to the IRA’s decommissioning, will travel again to the Basque country – this time for a conference on victims.

The veteran journalist Eamonn Mallie – who has covered Northern Ireland’s war and peace – stressed the importance of stepping outside absolute positions and the need to be careful with language.

We were able to describe some of the demands made here – that the IRA wear sackcloth and ashes, that decommissioning should be photographed, that the Army Council should publicly disband.

Demands that were not met and yet the process here survived.

Caoimhim Mac Giolla Mhin spoke of the importance of patience, allowing time and staying united in pursuit of goals.

He thinks things could move quickly after the recent peace conference and the ETA declaration.

And the loyalists John Howcroft, Jackie McDonald and ‘Plum’ Smith focused on the importance of community development.

“They need to develop at a community level,” Smith said

“You can’t leave this process to big ‘P’ politics.

“You need to develop with people on the ground,” he said.

And Harold Good and the BBC journalist Mervyn Jess both made the point that the people are often ahead of the politicians and their demands.

That the end of violence, being able to live in peace, are the things that really matter and that can create momentum.

Paul Rios said they wanted to learn about the idea of compromise, dialogue and trying to break that image of the enemy.

And, on Saturday, they saw one-time enemies sit in the same room – and debate and argue over difficult issues.

“If you can resolve one big problem, for example the problem here in Northern Ireland, you can resolve a smaller problem, like in the Basque country,” Rios said.

“The process in Northern Ireland encourages us to say: We can do that.”

 

Paul Rios with Gerry Adams (Image courtesy of http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=adams+Rios+san+sebastian)

 

(A version of this article was published in the Belfast Telegraph December 7th 2011)

  • Williampsmith

    As a participator in the PUP talks delegation and Prisoner spokesperson I enjoyed taking part in Saturdays discussion with other Loyalists,Press reps and  the Spanish delegation. In meetings and exchanges of viewpoints like this people come away asking well was it productive did you learn anything. I believe everyone comes away learning something. One thing that stood out for me was that the Spanish Delegation saw their peace process as purely a Political Process with a big “P”. We contributed to the session by emphasising the importance of having a twin track process of Political Process and Peace Process. The need to develop a Community based Peace Process in tandem with a Political Process. The need to talk directly and not always depend on intermediaries.The need to show leadership and to move on when necessary and the need for each side to make it easier for the other.
    William “PLUM” Smith

  • Caoimhín Mac Giolla Mhín

    Changing from a conflict situation to peace is usually very challenging. The general principles of peace making and conflict transformation should include tackling the causes which lie at the heart of the conflict. It will require good faith engagement by all sides where all parties are treated as equals and where all issues are on the agenda. There should be no preconditions whilst all participants must stay focused and be prepared to take risks as confidence building measures. In the case of Euskal Herrira, in response to ETA’s declaration, movement around the 700+ prisoners would be an obvious starting point to boost the confidence of the families in the towns and villages throughout the land.

  • Jackie McDonald

    I have to say I have come to know a different Eamon than I previously had and I have to commend the man on what he is doing these days.His humour and wit mixed with his relating of his experiences throughout the conflict are a credit to him and his profession.His contribition at recent events I have had the pleasure to attend with him have had a major impact on myself and many others who were present and Im certain such events can only benefit those who are striving for peace and peace of mind.The EAMON MALLIE SHOW (dot com) as we banter Eamon about is well worth attending!!

  • rut mm

    I’m still trying to proceed with all the information (and emotions) I brought back to Euskadi after meeting all of you. Thanks for your answers and your sincereness, and many thanks for being sitting there all together talking to us, if there’s something you can offer to Basques it’s hope, and I took plenty of it in Belfast

    • Harold Good

      Thank you Rut
      You were a great group to be with for those three days, you were honest with us and honest with each other. It is rewarding for us to know that you have taken home some HOPE … from a place which once was thought to be hope-less !  As one of your group said before you left, “we must build on this experience when we get home to our own country.”  By that I know he meant the experience of one another with your own differences and divisions … as well as the experience of meeting with us and such a wide range of people in Northern Ireland.  Grweetings to all..

  • Barneyrowan

    Eamonn, great to hear from one of the Basque delegation, and especially good to hear that they’ve taken some hope from those they met and what they heard a week ago.